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Scientists say reduced wilingness to exert themselves may explain why marijuana users do less well in education and work

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Smoking cannabis could make you lazy, according to a new study.

Researchers at the University of British Columbia gave the chemical tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main brain-affecting ingredient in cannabis, to laboratory ra ts.

They found this made them less willing to carry out a complex task for a large reward, with most opting for an easier one despite a smaller prize.

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Mason Silveira, who led the study, said: “Perhaps unsurprisingly, we found that when we gave THC to these rats, they basically became cognitively lazy.

“What’s interesting, however, is that their ability to do the difficult challenge was unaffected by THC. The rats could still do the task— they just didn’t want to.”

The type of cannabis sold as a recreational drug contains much higher levels of damaging THC than cannabis produced for medicinal purposes, which has more of a chemical called cannabidiol that is better for the brain.

THC has been linked to anxiety and psychosis, as well as problems with learning, memory and attention.

But the new study suggests that rather than making people less able to complete tasks, cannabis simply makes them less motivated to do so.

The researchers said their findings might explain why cannabis use is linked to poorer education, lower earnings and worse employment prospects.

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Scientists gave 29 rats doses of THC to see whether it made them less likely to opt for tasks that required more effort.

Rats were presented with a choice of levers, with some resulting in low-effort tasks that delivered small food rewards and others leading to high-effort tasks that resulted in big food rewards.

Under normal circumstances, most rats choose a harder challenge to earn a bigger reward. But after being drugged they switched to the easier option.

THC was found to cause changes in the medial prefrontal cortex, a part of the brain involved in in decision-making.

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Scientists say reduced wilingness to exert themselves may explain why marijuana users do less well in education and work

Does Long-Term Cannabis Use Stifle Motivation?

Habitual use of marijuana is linked to lower dopamine levels.

Posted Jul 02, 2013

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Researchers have found that levels of dopamine are lower in long-term cannabis smokers and those who began using the drug at a younger age. Lower dopamine in a part of the brain called the striatum is linked to less ambition and motivation at a neuronal level. I have written extensively about dopamine and endocannabinoids (self-produced cannabis) in The Athlete’s Way over the years.

The new study, released on July 1, 2013, was conducted by scientists at Imperial College London, UCL and King’s College London. The researchers found that long-term cannabis users tend to produce less dopamine, a neurochemical directly linked to motivation and reward. Using PET brain imaging, the researchers found that dopamine levels in a part of the brain called the striatum were lowest in people who smoke more cannabis and those who began smoking marijuana at a younger age.

The findings suggest why “stoners” are stereotypically viewed as lacking the motivation to work hard to pursue their dreams or to be ambitious. Do you think that pot makes people lazy? Have you had personal experience with the phenomenon of cannabis-induced “amotivational syndrome”—also known as being a slacker?

There is a strong link between dopamine and the CB-1 and CB-2 cannabinoid receptors of the brain. Any exogenous substance, like cannabis, hijacks the pre-existing receptors for the endogenously produced neurochemical. Contrary to popular belief, endocannabinoids are more strongly linked to “runner’s high” than endorphins.

Dopamine has long been linked to reward-driven behavior like achieving any type of goal in life or sport. You can increase the levels of both cannabinoids and dopamine through lifestyle choices without drugs. Setting goals and achieving them is the best way to keep the dopamine pumping. Regular aerobic exercise is the best way to get the endocannabinoids pumping.

Cannabis makes you more prone to “amotivational syndrome,” but less prone to psychosis.

All of the cannabis users in the study had experienced some psychotic-like symptoms while smoking marijuana. Researchers describe these symptoms as “experiencing strange sensations or having bizarre thoughts like feeling as though they are being threatened by an unknown force.” I call this having a “bad trip.”

The London researchers studied the level of dopamine production in the striatum of 19 regular cannabis users and 19 non-users of matching gender and age. The cannabis users chosen for the study started experimenting with cannabis between the ages of 12 and 18.

The researchers found that the younger someone was when he or she started smoking pot the lower the current levels of dopamine. Also, dopamine was lower in those who smoked more cannabis and had higher levels of THC in their bodies. The researchers conclude that these findings suggest that cannabis use may be the cause of the difference in dopamine levels.

The lowest dopamine levels were seen in users who meet a diagnostic criteria for cannabis addiction. The link to lower dopamine could be used as a new measure for what degree someone is addicted to—or abusing—cannabis. The good news from the study is that these results are most likely reversible. Other researchers have studied the dopamine release in former long-term cannabis users and found no differences with people who never abused cannabis.

Other good news from the study was that previous research had shown that cannabis users have a higher risk of mental illnesses that involve repeated episodes of psychosis, such as schizophrenia. This study found that smoking marijuana actually lowered the odds of having repeated episodes of psychosis. According to lead author Dr. Michael Bloomfield, “It has been assumed that cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia by inducing the same effects on the dopamine system that we see in schizophrenia, but this hasn’t been studied in active cannabis users until now.”

Bloomfield adds, “The results weren’t what we expected, but they tie in with previous research on addiction, which has found that substance abusers—people who are dependent on cocaine or amphetamine, for example—have altered dopamine systems.”

“Although we only looked at cannabis users who have had psychotic-like experiences while using the drug, we think the findings would apply to cannabis users in general, since we didn’t see a stronger effect in the subjects who have more psychotic-like symptoms,” Bloomfield says. The researchers believe that more research needs to be done before drawing final conclusions.

Conclusion: Have you ever smoked pot? Does cannabis make you less motivated?

Do you smoke pot? If so, how often? What age were you when you started smoking marijuana? Do you find that cannabis makes you more productive and creative, or less? Does smoking pot make you paranoid? Different friends of mine seem to have a wide range of responses to cannabis.

I had a classic bad trip on psychedelic mushrooms when I was in high school. I felt like the blueprint of my brain was being permanently reconfigured and the architecture of my mind was being rearranged. It was terrifying. The psilocybin opened doors of perception that should stay closed, and closed windows to perceptions of reality that need to stay open.

William Blake once said, “If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks of his cavern.” Some people—like Jim Morrison of the DOORS—used this Blake quotation to romanticize being high or tripping. For me, having a bad trip was the most harrowing experience of my life. I smoked pot once after that and had a flashback. Needless to say, I was so spooked by the experience that I haven’t smoked pot since 1983.

Bloomfield concludes that the ‘amotivational syndrome,’ which he describes in cannabis users, is linked to lower levels of dopamine, but acknowledges that whether such a syndrome exists is still controversial. If you or someone you know is a long-term pot smoker, would you agree or disagree with the scientific findings that abusing cannabis stifles motivation?

For more on the power of self-produced neurochemicals associated with feeling good and staying motivated please check out my Psychology Today blog The Neurochemicals of Happiness.

I had never been around pot,

I had never been around pot, or anyone who used it, until I was in my late teens, and never tried it until I met my ex-husband when we were both 21. He had apparently started using it around age 11, and I tried it a couple times at age 21. He and all his friends ended up like the classic stoner stereotype. couldn’t care about anything if they tried. They just want more lounging around with pot, beer, and pizza. They don’t care how many jobs they lose over it. I tried it several times and had no effect at all, until I tried LSD. That had an effect, and pot affected me after that. However, after having tried several things, I decided the druggie life just wasn’t for me, gave it up, and moved on. It was pretty motivating to hear that before we got married, he’d been through several jobs because he “couldn’t find anything he really liked”, and after we got married, he had “lost 13 jobs due to his drug problems”. Interesting shift in the story, there.

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  • Quote Fly on the wall

Yes it stifles societally acceptable motivation – but it doesn’t stifle motivation

I have several observational comments on cannabis use. There are the youngsters that use it to ‘get high’ as an escape from the suppressive environments that they exist within. There are those that use it for there mental health issues to alleviate anxieties – and the users that I am aware of are very aware of the potential for paranoia and carefully limit their use. And there are those who choose to use it as a lifestyle choice as opposed to alcohol. The adult users that I am aware of, whether they have received a mental diagnosis or not, are very politically aware and also very creative. Unfortunately we still adhere to a materialist reductionist scientific model and constantly assume that the genes have all the answers. We stigmatize ‘pot’ users due to the ignorant non-scientifc propaganda that was dispersed over 100 years ago and have a societal consensus that ‘drug’ use is bad – strange that doesn’t apply to alcohol which is possibly the most detrimental drug that exists and is still legal. You talk of the carrot and stick model, mainly relying on the carrot – perhaps some users have decided that they don’t like carrots? The paradigm you are describing is so passe – but mainstream science is lagging behind.

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  • Quote Anonymous

Yes it stifles societally acceptable motivation – but it doesn’t stifle motivation

i totally agree with you. alcohol should be illegal, not marijuana. alcohol drives people away from sanity, marijuana does not

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  • Quote Anonymous

Pot vs alcohol

Alcohol destroys spiritual capacity which ‘the authorities’ don’t want ya to have because we might actually figure out what is going on here which is a manipulation and a fraud!

  • Reply to John
  • Quote John

flawed study

Several years ago, I read about a possible link between dopamine and addiction. I don’t recall the details but the bottom line was that low dopamine levels were related to addiction, not as a result of drug use but as a precursor. This study seems to be flawed in that it establishes a “link” but doesn’t control for whether it is the cause or the effect.

  • Reply to Sue M
  • Quote Sue M

Cannabis

That is just what i was thinking. Isn’t it possible that people who are bored or down (ie low dopamine) will turn to cannabis to feel better?

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  • Quote Jay

I would need to see more

I would need to see more research on this subject to fully accept the conclusions of this study because there is one potential flaw: they may be pointing the arrow of causality in the wrong direction. They are claiming that using cannabis lowers motivation/dopamine, but it may just be that people with naturally lower motivation/dopamine are more attracted to cannabis use.
Like I said, I would need to see more research to confirm either conclusion, but my personal experience points me more towards believing that cannabis doesn’t inherently demotivate people. Really, it just seems to intensify whatever you’re doing. If you’re a demotivated person who likes to sit around and be bored all the time, it makes being bored more fun. On the other hand, I know people who completely break the “stoner” stereotype and use cannabis to help with schoolwork, housework, various hobbies, etc.

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  • Quote Anonymous

Drugs & Alcohol in a nut shell

I think drugs/alcohol always have this potential, because they can encourage good or bad habits. The individual decides how he reacts to using these substances and from there you have a wide range of people that use this substance to fail or succeed it is just a matter of opinion as to whether you think one or the other of the individual, because of what they do or what substance they choose on a daily basis.

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  • Quote Tim McGowan

Hi all, Sorry for my English,

Sorry for my English, it’s long time i haven’t practiced.
I would like to say something :it’s really true that smoking cannabis affect the motivation.
I used to smoke for long years ago when i was studnet at the university and the result is that i never succeed my studies.

I didn’t smoke for a long period and recently i was curious to taste it again.
So I smoked Whitewidow, a famous weed, and il felt very anxious and i saw an obvious lack of motivation.
I read somewhere that canbis can lower the testosteronne level and so impact motivation.

I think it ‘s no a good thing to use drugs.

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  • Quote Experience Man

Is Psychology a Science

Association is not proof of cause.

Disassociated anecdotal evidence is not empirical.

Dopamine levels may be decreased because the ingested cannabinoids reduce the need to produce it. Dopamine levels may be reduced from a number of psychological states, that are commonly self medicated with cannabis, as the current psychological treatment model is largely ineffective.

Empirical studies do not support the cannabis amotivational syndrome concept, I’d expect this point to be made clearly by a periodical begging to be regarded as scientific.

  • Reply to Stephen Stillwell
  • Quote Stephen Stillwell

Personal Experience

Yes, smoking marijuana changed my life. I lost motivation, became depressed and now I ruminate constantly.

  • Reply to Anonymous
  • Quote Anonymous

Thanks for sharing your personal experience.

Dear anonymous, Thank you for taking the time to share your personal experience with myself and other readers. Have a good night, Christopher Bergland

  • Reply to Christopher Bergland
  • Quote Christopher Bergland

Very little motivation

Been smoking pot for the last 10 years due to my multiple sclerosis. I ruminate constantly and have lost all motivation. It really helps with my MS.

  • Reply to Avi
  • Quote Avi

Motivation really can be an issue

The other issue I have seen among heavier cannabis users is a tendency to live in a fantasy world. That said, I think cannabis users may actually be more emotionally expressive than non-users.

I had an East Indian roommate who said conventional wisdom in India was that Cannabis was beneficial to older users-and harmful to younger users. I would like to see that studied–along with just how much harm we see from occaisional/monthly/weekly use vs. chronic/daily use.

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  • Quote Anonymous

Cannabis and low dopamine and pain

We finally are getting marijuana out of the closet. I have been in club med almost fifty years. Since I was ten, stealing Vodka from our parents and cigarettes I could buy anywhere. I started pot at twelve to stop smoking tobacco and quit constant alcohol in my twenties and didn’t smoke tobacco for nine years. Have not done crack or heroin because I saw friends on it (bad scene). Marijuana users, we have had to deal with countless decades and centuries of discrimination and prejudice. Not fun and no good will, will come from that.
Like anything else, when drug like if its not for you don’t do it. End of story.
Now science is looking for discernment as they stumble through the complexity of the molecules in Cannabis. They very much want to synthesize it and constantly are attempting to replicate it. No pill, so far. Many use pot for pain and glaucoma but it should do the opposite and increase pain because dropping lower dopamine levels permits more pain perception.
I know a community of regular pot smokers that are all successful long term employed or self employed, house owners, successful at parenting tax payers. One thing is for sure pot after a few hours will make you sleepy and some fall asleep immediately after smoking it. The paranoia is more like an adjustment to a new environment like being on a Ferris Wheel and for some a roller coaster. It is very short lived experience that usually stops in twenty minutes max. Roller Coaster feeling people stop smoking pot. Obviously marijuana alters brain chemistry and its complexity of altering is anything goes for now including dopamine levels, the Cannabis effects, likely the brain signals to body glands that change excretions and absorption. There is so much more to research on level changes and absorption after smoking pot.
Lazy from pot, personally I have never met anyone. Lazy and smoke pot, now those I have met and leave them, gone, out of my life. They are bummers, dumb and numb. Never been my life style, lazy on pot. Lazy people have many excuses, and one of them, its the pot’s fault. We call smoking it inspiration and for twenty years it has been my pain killer opiate illegally.
I really liked your article. You admit you had bad experiences from this group (many strains of Cannabis to treat different diseases) of drug that bounces around to where its at, a depressant when you have none and a psychoactive drug when you smoke it again. Thanks for the article, better than most I’ve read.

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  • Quote Ohms

Close friend I’ve known since I was nine is chronic pot smoker

My friend is a chronic pot smoker and has done very little with his life, even though he is probably one of the most talented and gifted men I know. Quite and underachiever for the intellectual gifts he’s been given. I love him but am afraid he threw his life away for pot.

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  • Quote Anonymous

Having grown up in the

Having grown up in the sixties, pot for breakfast, lunch and diner was the norm. Pot definitely lends itself to lack of motivation in the majority of frequent smokers. The very nature of the high is one of, “Tripping-out,” on life and everything around you. Like all, “Highs,” they play on hedonism. Especially young people use pot for the escape from stress, the Quick Fix or Mood Changer for life itself.

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  • Quote cmw

Long term cannabis use

I too am a product of the 60s and 70s; starting cannabis use on a near daily basis at 15. In these last 40 years I managed to put myself through universities, sometimes on scholarship and sometimes on sweat. Two Masters and a PhD later, plus decades of observation I’m convinced that with or without cannabis use a slacker is a slacker – granted, I was 45 when I received received my DrPH. I have watched both stoners and “straights” succeed and fail in fulfilling their potential and their dreams in equal measure. It’s not cannabis use that makes the difference. It’s Will and Desire. I see little difference in the 30 something sitting and playing video games and the 30 something sitting and watching Fox News. Both have learned from societyandfamilies to make decisions based on fear.
HG

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  • Quote Hammock Guru

Marijuana Addiction

I totally agree with you. I started smoking when I was 14 and my use only increased exponentially over time. I was an honors student all throughout high school, played 2-3 sports for all four years, was a volunteer EMT at the age of 16, and exercised on my own almost every day. I’m 19 now, and have been smoking 1-2 times almost everyday since I went to college. I am still an honors student, have a job, exercise every other day, do jiu jitsu 2-3 times a week, practice yoga everyday, and engage in my hobbies (gloving and arts and crafts) frequently. I no longer drink alcohol at all, and my diet is extremely healthy (whole foods, vegetarian diet, never any OTC medications). Not only do I smoke just to get high and relax, but I now also use it to help me sleep and relieve pain from jiu jitsu. It’s clear I have a serious cannabis addiction, but I have never been more satisfied with where I am in life and where I am going. I strongly believe my addiction hasn’t negatively affected my life, or caused any lack of motivation whatsoever. If anything, I become more productive when I’m high because I become self conscious of falling into the popular habit of smoking and doing absolutely nothing. I do homework, arts and crafts, glove, yoga, chores (that aren’t even required of me, I do them to help out my parents), errands, go to work, exercise and read when I’m high. I am even more aware of how I treat others (especially my parents). I can’t say that cannabis doesn’t lower my self esteem, but it seems as if this only further motivates me to be even more productive and strive to be the best person I can be. Today, I worked out, left the gym, smoked a bowl pack in my car, then decided to go back in and do another 3 sets before I went home. If you’re unmotivated or lazy, then cannabis will only magnify that trait. It does not cause it.

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  • Quote Anonymous

It lowered my motivation

I believe it lowers motivation. I didn’t try pot until I was 17 because I had no desire. I had a passion for music so i never cared for it, despite the fact I had been around it for years. But I’m 19 and I’ve been smoking for 2 years, I feel like I’m less motivated than I was to make music. I still do it, all the time. but unfortunately I rarely do it sober. I’m always smoking in the studio.

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  • Quote Anonymous

Started smoking after university

Most of the research talks about people who started smoking pot in their teens and early adulthood. What are the effects of pot when you start smoking it later in life? I think the answer to this question should guide the legalization of marijuana.

My experience with pot

I had a hard childhood, abusive mother (physically then mentally). I had a hard time in school because of my dyslexia, I was bullied and had no real friends to speak of until I reach 11th grade. Despite all of this I made it to university were I was finally able to make great friends. I worked very hard, I was involved in lifeguard competition ( 3rd at the nationals) and graduated loan free and with an average above 3.0

The first time I smoked pot I was 26. I had a husband, a house and a great job. From then I smoked about 3 to 4 times a year until I was 31. At this point I started to smoke a joint daily on and off. 1 once per month for 2-3 month and then nothing for about the same. I only trust one person to supply me and he doesn’t live close to me 🙁 I’m not a fan of supporting organize crime. He grows small amount and only sells to people he knows well. I started growing my self and can’t wait until I don’t have to take those month off. Personally I am happier and more productive when I can have my nightly hit. I have struggled with depression for as long as I can remember, for me smoking pot helps.

I’m now 35. I’m still happily married. I have a great well paid job. We are 8 months away of being completely debt free. Bye Bye mortgage and car payment. All of my friend, except one, have no clue that I smoke and would not believe it if someone told them that I did.

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  • Quote Anonymous

having little motivation makes pot more appealing to me

I’m an “under achiever” and proud of it. I still do enough to get by quite comfortably.
Dope helps me disengage from the futile ambition and strife that society tries to impose.

What are we all trying to keep up with the Jones for?

When one, for whatever reason feels disaffected by life, it is hard to find any reason why not to partake in the pleasure of pot.

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  • Quote Anonymous

Smoked every day for a year

I only smoked pot once before college, but started smoking regularly to relieve pain my freshman year of college. After smoking nearly every day for over a year, I find that I am lacking in motivation and energy. As a psych and philosophy double major, this feeling of a lack of desire intrigued me and caused me to start examining the feeling more thoroughly.

After finding tons of information about the anti-motivational feeling being ascribed to smoking pot, which I had expected, I’ve decided to take a break from smoking, whether permanent or for a short time, in order to test if I can regain my motivation and desire.

Slowly it is coming back, but it is incredibly difficult to focus on one thing for too long, and almost physically painful when I try to feel desire or vast motivation to do something. Perhaps after a few months this will improve, but I can’t say for sure.

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  • Quote Anonymous

It will come back to normal,

It will come back to normal, don’t worry about it. I smoke a few times a week (im in psych too 😉 ) and as long as you don’t use it as an escape, you’re good to go. Use it as a reward after a hard day!

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  • Quote Dude

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  • Quote Cynthia

I smoke pot a few times a

I smoke pot a few times a week. I am 19, started at 18. I’m in second year of psychology and my semester average is 90%. I have the same job I had two years ago, I get called a “perfect employee”. I have very good relations with my family, and friends. I’m active on the dating scene. I take dance classes, I write, I’m planning to do my Masters and Phd and open my own clinic. I do volunteering twice a week in a lab. And I am a stoner. Weed doesn’t change you. You change the way you want to change, and don’t take responsibility, so you blame weed.

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  • Quote Dude

Lack of motivation

What drives us to achieve our goals? Motivation does. It is important to be motivated and your advice is spot on There’s plenty more we can do to generate motivation, but I believe the list above is a good start. Also, keep this in mind: if your motivation is low it helps to step out of the small picture (the day-to-day) and remember the big picture – why you are doing what you do. Allow yourself to be motivated by your bigger vision, and let your goals drive you. Remembering why you are doing what you do in business can most certainly help you find some new energy to keep going.

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  • Quote Trivedi Effect

Weed Highly Motivates

I would say this study is inaccurate and shortsighted. I myself have smoked marijuana daily (5 to 6 times a day) for the past 15 years, and I have used it to help me stay motivated and achieve a succesful career in the IT business. Not only that I know many people like myself in my business who are daily smokers and who are equally if not more successful.

I’m not saying some folks who smoke do not have a lack of motivation, but the the lazy stoner is a stereotype and not reality. Millions of people are functional smoking, and use it to help them focus, alleviate stress, and cope with depression.

Prior to starting smoking when I was 22, I was depressed lacked motivation, and felt hopeless. Anti-depressants gave me serious gastrointenstinal problems, and did not provide the full effects marijuana did.

I recently quit marijuana because of my wife not liking the smell (perhaps the one downside), and have been off of it now for 2 months, and the feelings or depression, and lack of motivation are back.

BE CAREFUL WHEN MAKING BLANKET OBSERVATIONS LIKE THIS. Everyone wants to put people in a box, and there have been countless studies done over the centuries to reinforce racist and biggoted stereotypes which have been proven inaccurate. This study is along those same lines.

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  • Quote HighlyMotivatedMarijuanaUser

smoking makes you lazy

Science truths transcend belief systems. Personal truths i.e. cultural, political or religious belief systems drive most of what you read on this topic.

This is a common debate among us with a long history. Science vs “Belief systems.” It took a while to convince people the earth was not flat. Now try convincing everyone the earth is not the center of the universe. Wow, imagine how hard that would be. Liquor and cigarettes should be outlawed. Not pot.

Now we debate over a split pool of 19 smokers and 19 nonsmokers. Is this methodology such that science would agree? 19 people? LOL

Some facts on me:
– I smoke every week.
– Started at 33 years old,, many moon ago.
– I am a multimillionaire and was not born that way.
– I completed 4 triathlons last year.
– Smoking makes me lazy. But only after work or before bed. I sleep like a baby every night. No socially accepted drugs for me at bedtime.
– I am a Healthcare professional. No I don’t see patients.
– Sugar is more dangerous than pot. It certainly kills more people than pot since this naturally grown plant has never killed a human in all of history.

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  • Quote SamCrow50

Using this forum to ask for a little help

Hey I’m Ryan and i couldn’t help but notice you are a stoner millionaire, i know you worked hard for your money and I super respect that. Me and my highly motivated brother from another mother, Joe, have started a new music project. We want to know if you’d be interested in funding our project. We are getting along pretty well but are having some financial issues, basically we need to have a lump sum to start with, and gain extra funding from there, possibly through kickstarter. As you will be able to hear soon enough (link below) we are really onto something that could be very popular. Kind of an indie disco vibe. Joe and I are really trying to get this off the ground, and would only need about 5 to 10k to start with. This would ensure that we have enough gear for live sets, some proper recording gear we are missing, we have a good start but need more. studio time is also super expensive which we will need to record vocals and guitar. Hopefully the music will speak for itself. Thanks for indulging my schpeel, appreciate it. Can’t promise you would make that money back, but you are funding two men’s dreams to make something super positive, and if we do make money we are paying you back, plus added interest. Thanks.

ps. This is an unfinished track, needs a few things, small edits and needs vocals, let me know what you think. Thanks again. Weed rules.

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  • Quote Zona Rosa

From my perspective (46-year old, male, semi-normal) – it has positive and negative outcomes. It increases my creativity.. but decreases actually getting sh*t done.

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  • Quote Scott Sessmeiter

Where I live it’s really

Where I live it’s really common. We sometimes joke at work if they drug tested our large organization they’d have to let go of most of the employees. It’s about as socially acceptable as drinking, which I think is fine considering alcoholism while legal is more damaging.

I started smoking a lot after a traumatic event and anxiety. I do worry that it effects motivation. Anxiety does also though. I don’t have a lot of faith in the pharma industry. I think as one poster mentioned, the head space of weed (versus pharmaceuticals, coffee, or other legal substances) maybe lends itself more to the arts than typical 9-5 office work. I think for some users who work for themselves it probably isn’t that bad, especially if they have another disorder it is treating (like anxiety or adhd). I’ve known several people who for example had bad reactions to prescribed adhd medication, and felt weed was a better option for them with less negative side effects.

No two brains are the same, each person probably reacts differently. There is also major stigma with pot as a controlled substance that makes probably makes some research a bit bias.

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cannabinoid

This ‘article’ contains logical fallacies and incorrect information. Please see wikipedia for more info on endocannabinoids their production and function in humans & mammals. From http://reset.me/story/beginners-guide-to-the-endocannabinoid-system/: “. This system, an integral part of our physiologies, was discovered in the mid-1990s by Israeli researcher Dr. Ralph Mechoulam who also identified THC as the main active ingredient in cannabis in the early 1960s. Israel has been one of the most progressive nations for cannabis research and currently has one of the most advanced medical marijuana programs in the world. Dr. Mechoulam’s world-changing research discovered two main receptors, cannabinoid 1 (CB1) and cannabinoid 2 (CB2), that are keyed to both the endocannabinoids that our body naturally produces and phytocannabinoids (plant-based) like THC and CBD. Our bodies actually produce the ECsCB1 receptors are primarily found in the brain. Current research shows that THC is specifically keyed to the CB1 site. Therefore it is responsible for the feeling of intoxication that is the most familiar aspect of cannabis. From a therapeutic standpoint, it’s most important effect is to modulate and moderate the perception of pain.
THC moderates pain; this doesn’t mean we leave our finger on the stove, but that the intensity of the painful feeling is reduced when THC is present in the CB1 site. This mechanism of action is why THC-rich medicines are so prized by people with intense pain issues. Additionally, CB1 receptors are not present in the part of the brain that regulates heart rate and respiration, so unlike narcotics, there is no lethal dosage threshold for THC, allowing someone to consume as much is needed for its palliative effects. CB2 receptors are primarily found in the immune system with the highest concentration located in the spleen. There is some evidence that the receptors might also be in the . parts of the brain. The CB2 receptors are keyed to CBD and works as an anti-inflammatory agent. The immune-boosting functions of CB2 are far less understood as research into CBD is just really beginning. It’s only been about five years since CBD re-emerged in the medical cannabis scene and was identified through Steephill Labs. The benefits of CBD-rich medicine, with its anti-spasmodic qualities, is one the most exciting and promising areas of cannabis medical research. One of the other effects of CBD is that it moderates the effects of THC. It actually knocks THC off the CB1 receptor, so if someone is experiencing THC intoxication, a strong dose of CBD can counteract those effects. The future of CBD-rich medicines is almost limitless. The fact that there is a system in our body that produces cannabinoids, and is specifically designed to accept just them, should be overwhelming proof of cannabis’ efficacy as a medicine. From the pain-killing effects of THC to the anti-spasmodic and anti-inflammatory properties of CBD, we have just scratched the surface of a world of possibilities. ”
Again “. CB1 receptors are not present in the part of the brain that regulates heart rate and respiration, so unlike narcotics, there is no lethal dosage threshold for THC. ” quoted from http://reset.me/story/beginners-guide-to-the-endocannabinoid-system/
I would need to see the article(s) this author referenced. Statements he makes are not footnoted to enable a reader to check the truth of his claims. The info in the above article seems to show correlation and not cause and effect. As you can see from the accounts above in the comments section many folk (including cancer, epilepsy patients, etc) who smoke pot daily are educated and professional people who work productively, long and hard, and many hours including exercise, taking care of family and hobbies. He also wrote that “Any exogenous substance, like cannabis, hijacks the pre-existing receptors for the endogenously produced neurochemical. Contrary to popuar belief, endocannabinoids are more strongly linked to ‘runner’s high’ than endorphins.” First of all not just any exogenous substances (external chemicals) have the chemical ability to plug into the endocannabinoid receptors. However one exogenous substance that can (the only one I’m aware of, but again no footnotes-can’t check) is natural cannabinoids found in pot plants because it has the correct chemical structure to fit. He goes on to state that endocannabinoids (apparently from some unnamed source) are more LINKED to runner’s high. This appears to contradict his claim that people who have cannabinoids in their bodies (even those that are naturally produced by our bodies I have to assume) are unmotivated. How are these unmotivated people able to be runners? It takes a lot of energy and determination to be a runner. These are some of the difficulties I have found in reading this article.

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Cannabis and ADHD – Motivation Observations

ADHD Background (Dopamine Deficiency):

I was diagnosed with ADHD at 15 after experiencing many years of behavioral issues at school, including an inability to concentrate, restlessness, muscle tension, short-term memory issues, and unprovoked irritability.

I began smoking weed at 13 and my usage increased very heavily until 17. I took a break until I was in my 20’s, then I started smoking infrequently again, now I am in my mid 30’s and have been smoking very regularly for the last 5 years. The last 5 years I have been smoking flowers almost everyday, taking lots of dabs, drinking THC drinks, eating THC edibles, etc. I have slowed down and stopped on a few occasions for different reasons, but overall smoke it quite a bit around my responsibilities.

Subjective Experiences and Impact to ADHD Symptoms (Motivation Included):

ADHD Daily Life (Untreated) –

My ADHD symptoms, untreated, make me feel like I am in a constant mental fog (not an unhappy one though). If something captures my interest enough I get extremely hyper-focused on it and can do some pretty amazing things. If I am not interested, I have ZERO motivation and it takes an enormous amount of self-discipline and awful headaches to make myself do the things that bore the living hell out of me, like small talk (especially), entertain the public school system, work a non-rewarding job, or entertain a college education curriculum lol. When people talk to me, it takes everything I have to focus on what they are saying and truly hear them.

I love people and this makes me extremely sad most of the time, I want to be engaging and cannot stop this fog from disrupting my focus. The regular intense effort to pay attention gives me headaches and makes me feel irritable for seemingly no reason. Getting belittled my whole life for my lack of focus and memory probably does not help either and has lead to anxiety issues too, awesome! Pretty common for us dopamine deficient folks as many people assume you are choosing this for some reason. I can think and bounce around ideas and formulate intriguing insights between multiple interesting topics and figure things out all while holding a conversation with someone, this happens automatically all day long and is exhausting.

I am happy and love my life, but this disease certainly gets in my way and causes long periods of depression every few years – relationships pretty much all get ruined because of it. It is rare I find a friend or partner who is compassionate towards this issue. They take my occasional irritability, lack of focus, and need for long periods of alone time personally and it sucks, really, really bad actually. However, taking legal meth is not an option I wish to engage with either, been there, done that, Adderall will ruin you after your tolerance builds up over for a long time, no thanks. Meditation, exercise, good diet, sunlight, Vitamin D/Iron, structured routine, and goal setting works just fine, thank you!

ADHD on THC (Smoking Regularly 3 – 5 x Day) –

Immediate relief from anxiety, muscle tension, and restlessness. I feel my focus and creativity is better as well. However, my motivation can look from the outside as reduced to a “socially unacceptable” level. In reality, after being on GO all the time, I really enjoy the relaxation from THC and sometimes like to chill out and make art, swim, hike, or do whatever at my own pace. I notice when people think I am being slow or taking my time too much, I just really do not care, most people are wired as hell on caffeine and my vibe is in my control. Does this mean I cannot or will not do what I need in life, absolutely not! THC has never stopped me from achieving my goals or doing what I know I need to do. Anxiety, depression, and untreated ADHD most certainly has a more dramatic effect on my motivation. If I smoke too much too often, I notice I get dependent on THC very quickly. What I mean is, my body already produces low amounts of dopamine. If I keep getting it from THC regularly, I always have pretty crappy and even worst ADHD symptoms between smoking sessions. If I stop smoking, the first 3 days are absolute garbage (irritability, headaches, insomnia, minor hot flashes), then I am fine – pretty mild overall, but worth mentioning as I cannot function to well at all in a social environment during that T-break 🙂

ADHD on THC (Smoking Nights or Weekends Only) –

If I smoke at night to relax or socially, I do okay, but even this amount causes me to have issues between sessions. I get immediate mild withdrawal symptoms (from reduced dopamine) only hours after smoking no matter the frequency. I believe this is more due to ADHD, but the lowered dopamine effect from regularly smoking on top of it can be a bit much to function effectively in society.

For me, the THC has never got in the way of my motivation. I served in the military in one of the most technical fields available, earned honors in my training, earned honors in two leadership academies, earned several prestigious awards for physical fitness, went to war, obtained my Bachelor of Science in Information Technology, earned several professional IT certifications, became a Satellite Communications Engineer for a major US broadcasting company while surpassing all of my peers in promotions 3 years in a row, received employee of the year from that company, changed careers, did Web Development for a few years, started my own company, and am almost done with my Master’s of Information Systems degree. So, no I find it hard to believe that THC itself is making people unmotivated, but it may be plausible for those who are addicted or have dopamine issues already that THC usage needs to be monitored. We should not be pretending that THC is some kind of panacea. This drug or medicine, like any other, needs to be respected and its effects need to be objectively observed within each person.

Not much research is available on how weed affects people who have ADHD, especially people who have been diagnosed early on and have also been smoking since childhood. I hope sharing my experience can help anyone else with ADHD who uses cannabis. Just watch the dopamine effects and regulate usage, you will be fine, but you need to be real about any potential addiction signs, it can creep in quickly. Much love!

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Motivation to do what?

I’ve been using cannabis pretty regularly since about age 16 in 1996 and I have to say that it does tend mellow me out, slow me down, and make me as some might say, unmotivated. But I can assure you I was pretty unmotivated before I started using cannabis. Articles like this cause me to call into question the whole notion of what being “motivated” in the modern age really means. Typically motivation is measured by how determined you are to “succeed” and “success” in the USA is measured by how much money and materials you have as opposed to how happy you actually are.

I’m a 37 year old male. I still live with my parents. I don’t have any kids. I don’t have a wife, but I have three FWBs, and if they drop off the scene I’ll simply find others. I have a menial part time job that pays the bills and allows me extra spending money for things like new clothes, vacations, and of course, more weed. Working part time also allows me lots of free time that I would never have if I was a “successful” Chicago attorney like my older brother, who is busy from sunrise to sundown. And you know what? I’m perfectly happy this way. I don’t have to conquer anything or meet any pointless goal. The rich and poor die alike. I have plenty of good food. I am a vegetarian and in great physical health for age 37. I still have all my hair and none of it is grey. In fact, I often get mistaken for being in my 20s.

Some would say that I’m settling for being a loser. Hey, if this is being a “loser” I’ll take it over the eternal legions of “successful” people who are unhappily married/divorced/cheating and are thousands in debt until they are 3/4 of the way to retirement. I don’t see “successful” people as being more happy than me just because they drive a brand new car and live in a McMansion, while I drive a 2007 Impala and live with my mommy and daddy.

In fact, most “successful” people seem pretty stressed a lot of the time. I see it on my Facebook. I’ve literally watched some of my friends’ marriages end online after one of them was caught cheating. And you know what comes after that: divorce, courts, alimony, child support. in a word, stress. I’ve watched some of them lose their jobs suddenly after going to college for 8 years or whatever and subsequently lose their homes and possessions that they measured their “success” by. In this sense, motivation and success to achieve the American dream seem to be avenues to a more stressful life. And once you’re trapped in that vicious cycle of materialism and debt, it’s hard to break free from it.

Me? Stress is almost nonexistent, and the little stress I do have is always vanquished in the vapor of some tasty Blue Widow or Pineapple Express. And when I’m feeling down (as we all do from time to time), it perks me right up better than any cup of coffee I’ve ever had, and of course no side effects other than an urge to raid Taco Bell, which as a vegetarian, I do need to be careful about. So I always keep homemade chips, salsa, and bean dip on hand.

In conclusion, I again call into question of what being “motivated” really means and what it really amounts to in the end. Again, it just seems like being motivated to get the family, car, house, etc., is just a path to more stress and less actual happiness. I’m not here to conquer the world and wouldn’t want to anyway. I’m just here to live and enjoy the short time I have on this planet. Peace.

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Marijuana and motivation.

I have seen a couple of the best guitar players, talented writers and musicians go absolutely nowhere because they wouldn’t
stop using. It’s been proven that testosterone levels go way
down, your metabolism changes, your perception changes and
THC is stored in fat and released as flashbacks, so the user is always in a form of stupor. Whether the users want to hear it or not, the facts are the facts.

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Dependence on the chemical

What needs to be stressed is that no one using can live their
life without the chemical. They are totally dependent on it giving them the “high” “motivation” “focus” whatever it may be.
They aren’t repairing the underlying psychological, physical,
emotional trauma. they are MEDICATING. Majority of the
world lives without the medicating (you grow up and learn to
handle problems without chemicals, it’s what adult humans do)

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There will be no right answer

I don’t think the motivation issue will ever have an absolute answer. The variety of experiences shared in previous comments are a good example. One of the main reasons for this relativity is intent. The pot smoker who is just chilling down from a hard day of work is very different to the kid who just wants to briefly escape from problems at home. Each circumstance will also have an effect in neurochemical balance.

And then there’s individual brain chemistry. Most people who use cocaine become super wired up. But I know a handful of individuals who snort it and then go to sleep.
I also know hardcore surfers who are “potheads” yet functional.
These are fit and athletic. While pot might mess dopamine levels, it is also true that the high level of physical activity involved in their sport helps produce plenty of it.

My humble conclusion is that establishing an absolute, one size fits all rule is dangerous .

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It toggles motivation ON for me.

I was what you’d describe as a stereotypical “stoner” all through high school. . . where I never was able to find or use marijuana, because I was in a very religious community in a very rural area. If anything took any amount of effort, I’d quit, I had no motivation to achieve my potential, my sole motivation was to slip by with as little effort as possible i.e. refuse to turn in homework then ace the tests and challenge the teacher about giving other kids “A”s who’s knowledge of the subject matter in now way exceeded my own, because of “busy work” designed to reinforce the topics which was obviously unnecessary since I could ace tests on the subject all day after learning it one time from reading it. If there was high input tasks like research papers or term papers, I’d cheat my way through those. This worked fine up until college calculus 2, and engineering math classes where there’s only 5 questions on a test and getting one wrong meant an instant C on a test, and I failed classes, lost my college scholarship, and decided I’d finish out the classes I was passing, then drop out (cuz I was a quitter) and pursue playing guitar to become a professional musician. I asked my bandmates if they could find me acid, and they were like “whoah you trip on acid?” and I told them “no, but I want to get more creative and more into writing”, so they suggested marijuana, to which I went on a right-wing rural area religious indoctrinated kid tirade about how it was just “stupid” for people to purposefully inhale smoke (says the guy just asking about acid) and pot makes you lazy, stupid, stinky, etc. They pointed out the errors of my logic, and talked me into trying it which I did, and I liked it very much, there was euphoria, but not a loss of identity or control or knowledge that I’m still just a normal me who feels better, not a stupid me who feels good but is now less intelligent. I asked for some more and went home with the purpose of using it and writing songs. I never got to my guitar, because I smoked out outside, then needed to clear my table and area of my school books. . . which I picked up and started reading with an enthusiasm and zeal I’d never had even leaving home for college to pursue my engineering degree. I loved it, and just kept reading, and felt compelled that it would be FUN to do the homework RIGHT NOW. So I did the homework for the next 3 weeks, for four subjects, cleaned my room, cleaned the kitchen, cleaned the bathroom, and organized my schoolwork and calendar. I used pot ALL DAY EVERY DAY after that, earned 4.0s in every class, earned my scholarship back and graduated with my BSEE degree. I didn’t lose the ability to just be exposed to the material once and absorb it immediately. I just gained the ability to not want to leave campus until I’d also done all the “busy work” required. Just smoke out in my car in the parking lot.
Something about marijuana toggles my motivation to SUPER ON. I can’t “get high and watch a movie”. I feel my life wasting away as I SIT. I think of all the things I could be accomplishing and just have to DO one. On marijuana I can completely identify with the mindset of a “workaholic”. I just keep adding on, like “I could also do this, and this, and this, and this.” It makes scrubbing bathrooms fun and interesting, and gets you easily over the barrier of “we’ve got to do this horrid job, and lets get started NOW”.
Before pot, it didn’t seem like the dopamine reward circuitry was WORKING, I’d do homework for a class I already understand, and turn it in, get a 100% and think “See that’s what I said, I don’t need to do this junk”, there was never a positive feeling of accomplishment like there was in spades doing homework when medicated. Its like my mind now knows if I do these tasks and accomplish them I’ll get a “bonus buzz” so I’m like a rat at the switch trying to push it over and over.

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Motovation

This article is written as if it applies to everyone who uses weed. It is only one person’s experience – the author’s.

After 30 years smoking cannabis I embarked on a university degree course. With no qualifications to speak of, I did 4 years of full time study as a mature student whilst working full time and bringing up 2 demanding teenagers. I ended up with a 2/1 BSc Hons in Human Biology in 2005. I did every lecture stoned ( Not the laboratory work), I did every exam stoned after a night shift on occasions and still have excellent recall of the work I studied. So I refute the idea that you are unmotivated if you are a stoner. I also now work full time and run a small business that requires a huge amount of enthusiasm and motivation. I smoke cannabis every day and have done for nearly 40 years. I would prefer not to smoke tobacco but vaping doesn’t do it for me. Presently I have sciatica. Mostly it is painful for 50 % of any 24 hours – as soon as I smoke weed the pain is relieved and I can continue with my life.

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Researchers have found that dopamine levels are lower in long-term cannabis users and people who began using the drug at a younger age.